Apologies if this is well understood, but I can’t quite get there from watching the video:
I’ve installed my DSP card seemingly fine, and can successfully run plugins. However, I’m stuck with the plugin an a channel insert - e.g. if I load a kit with a kick on channel 1, go to the DSP mixer and load a plugin on that channel, I hear the effect @ 100%.
What I’m trying to wrap my head around is as to what the A/B sends do, and how to use them - e.g. is it possible to send some amount of signal from (say) channel 1 and have it mixed with the dry? The DSP mixer fader also ends up controlling the entire channel gain as-is, so I’m trying to determine what I’ve missed - at least until the manual is updated. Thanks!
The usual thinking would be your send buss is the reverb and that plug is fully wet. So your direct level is the fader, can vary per source, and then the reverb send is the buss send, also controllable per source.
Right - but in the case above where I insert the plug-in on channel 1, I get a totally wet signal with A and B sends set to 0% that the fader controls the gain of. I’ve clearly missed something.
if i understood it right, you will just use your fader or assign knobs depending on the plugin to turn and affect the plugin on its channel . the A/B sends still provide the option to further move the sounds around the chain. The DSP is intercepting whatever you have assigned to the routing and applying it to an out… the dsp is providing a secondary option- u tell it what you want…
When on the DSP page (Bank + 0) press either 0 or Enter and it’ll take you to a second DSP page that has a Return A, Return B, and Main column. When pressing Shift + (Pad 1),(Pad 2), or (Pad 3) it’ll take you to your respective Return busses or Main (master) Bus. Here you can apply effects and then when you press Enter or 0 again to go back to the main Mixer page, you can then use either the Top or Bottom Encoders of the respective tracks to send the track to either Return A or Return B.
That’s it! I didn’t get that I was setting the plugins for the effects sends on that second page (I think the confusion is that you set it on what’s marked as the return and not the send). Thanks!
I’m having a strange issue with FX on bus B. I’ve added FX onto Bus B but when I go to send audio to bus B (from the DSP mixer page via the bottom encoder) no effects are applied.
Send bus A works, effects on each DSP channels work, and effects on the Master bus work, just any on bus B don’t.
Any ideas?
[Edit 1] Send A and Send B are both set to Post Fader - basically I’m in the default set up trying out the DSP card.
[Edit 2] Doesn’t look like the Live FX are working either…
Thank you for confirming similar issues with Send A and Send B, I wasn’t sure if it was a connection issue on my end.
With the Live FX are you making sure to also press down on the pad? You won’t hear the effect unless it is held down. My apologies if this is an obvious suggestion, Live FX operation wasn’t immediately clear to me at first.
thanks for the explanation @oldmanchompski I too am having a hell of a time figuring this out.
One thing im struggling with is the distribution of stereo files.
Say I have a stereo sample on pad A1. In ‘bank A mixer’, fader A1 controls the volume as usual. But in the DSP mixer, faders 1&2 control left & right volume. and Send A amount only sends signal to the left side, so for example i only get reverb on one side.
I just want my faders to behave normally and send a little of each channel to the reverb.
change the dsp track to a stereo track. currently you have 1 and 2 both as mono, you need to go to the dsp track setting, set 1 as stereo (it will then be 1/2), then fader 1 will control the level and fader 2 will do nothing.
thanks so much. that makes sense. Are we also limited to the same effects being applied to pads in the asme position in other banks? For example if I have Send A at 100% on pad A1, the effect send also applies to B1, C1, D1. Is there a way around that?
You dont send the Tracks (Pads) directly to the Returns:
Track → Return
There is a step between so you output Tracks to a Bus which can be send to the Returns:
Track → DSP Mixbus → Return
By default, your Track’s outputs are set up like this: BANK A
Track A1: Output 1 → DSP Bus 1
Track A2: Output 2 → DSP Bus 2
(…)
Track A8: Output 8 → DSP Bus 8
BANK B
Track B1: Output 1 → DSP Bus 1
Track B2: Output 2 → DSP Bus 2
(…)
Track B8: Output 8 → DSP Bus 8
… and so on with Tracks under BANK C and D
So, when you are on the DSP Mixer page, all Tracks set to:
Output 1 will arive at DSP Mixbus 1
Output 2 will arive at DSP Mixbus 2
(…)
Output 8 will arive at DSP Mixbus 8
This means, that if you e.g. send from DSP Mixbus 1 to Return A, then all tracks which are set to Output 1 will send to Return A.
With the default settings, this means Track A1, B1, C1 and D1.
You change the Output on the individual tracks by pressing “Shift” and then a “Pad” then scroll a bit down there is an “Output” setting.
okay so i am basically limited to those 8 output channels in the DSP mixer no matter how many sample pads i use. if i want to have a DRY stereo sample, a WET(reverb) stereo sample going to send A, and a WET(delay) going to send B, that effectively eats up 6 of my 8 available channels, leaving 2 mono channels left over. It’s not like we can pepper in sends A & B to each individual pad (or leave them dry) without going through the DSP mixer. We get outputs 1-8 and thats that, no way to bypass the DSP mixer? Im sorry to keep asking the same question in different ways, I just feel like if I can wrap my head around it fully, my S2400 life will become easier.
I ask because I normally assign quick mono drum one shots to pads A1-A8 and then more stereo synths & elaborate stuff to pads B1-B8 but I don’t know how thats going to work out with the DSP mixer.
